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Is Regenerative Economics Inevitable?

Eugene Kirpichov on the polycrisis, civilizational risk, and learning to work for a future that may arrive after collapse.

Episode 387 of the Reversing Climate Change podcast. You can listen on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, all of the other apps, and

Are we going to figure out how to get along on a highly stressed planet? Or are we unable to break the patterns that have gotten us here in the first place? Are we too hard-nosed or too woo? A secret third thing?!

Today's show features Eugene Kirpichov, founder of Work on Climate, a very popular climate community built to help people transition into climate work. But the longer Eugene stared at the nested set of problems humanity is facing, it no longer seemed like a simple issue of employment and greenhouse gases. In fact, it's kind of everything.

Daniel Schmachtenberger's work on risk and game theory led Eugene to regenerative economics and an attempt to create a world where economic activity gives more than it takes, and where we aren't constantly lurching from one crisis to the next.

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Philip Lee LLP: legal resources for carbon removal buyers and suppliers

Listen to the RCC episode with Ryan Covington from Philip Lee LLP

Rainbow: a developer-centric carbon removal registry

"Why carbon markets need field engineers, not just scientists" on Rainbow

"What scientists actually do in carbon removal" on rosskenyon.com

Resources

Eugene's LinkedIn post which inspired the show

Daniel Schmachtenberger

Work on Climate

Thinking in Systems: A Primer by Donella Meadows

"364: Lowering the Onion into Hell: Strategic Realism vs. Christian Pacifism" on Reversing Climate Change

"Peter Thiel and the Antichrist" by Ross Douthat at The New York Times

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Carbon Removal Newsroom, the news show that ran alongside this one, is over. Its episodes are still up, on the feed Climate Workers Anonymous now uses.

Carbon Removal Memes is still goofing around.

The books that come up on this show are collected on my Bookshop shelf.

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