Evan Hynes is the founder of Climate.Careers, a job site dedicated to helping talented jobseekers find high-impact, high-paying jobs at organizations working to address climate change. On this bonus episode of Reversing Climate Change, Evan joins Ross to discuss why he built the Climate.Careers platform, explain what qualifies a job to be listed on the site, and how a listener might be able to land a job in climatetech.
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Ross Kenyon: Hello and welcome to the Reversing Climate Change Podcast. I’m Ross Kenyon. Today I have with me Evan Hines, founder of Climate Careers. Evan, thank you for being here. Hey, thanks for having me. Indeed, we’ve been trying to figure out exactly how and when to do this, and I’m happy we finally found a proper hook, a proper container for the episode, you could say. But we will get to that. What exactly is Climate Careers? Yeah, well, I mean, Climate Careers is basically the platform for finding a climate job.
That’s a very short pitch. Wow. Is it like five words, six words in there, Evan?
Evan Hynes: I mean, if you want me to elaborate a little bit, I would say it’s a place where you can discover opportunities, where you can apply your skills so that you can align your paycheck and your working hours with the work that needs to be done to solve the climate crisis.
Ross Kenyon: I’m curious about this, and this has got to be one of the most obvious questions that people ask you, but is there not just a section on existing job sites that is for climate or for sustainability or ESG? Is there something like that? Or why did you feel the need to go off on your own and start this?
Evan Hynes: I mean, honestly, you can get... Depending on the platform you’re looking at, there are some ways of like getting close to, I think, what we’re aiming to really nail. And I think it goes to a question of like, well, what is a climate job? But like looking at, for example, you know, idealist.com. A lot of people know Idealist. They’ve been around for, gosh, like 20 years. They’re a really well-known job platform that specifically helps nonprofits attract talent. And they do have a section for climate change.
Check that box and see, I think it’s around like maybe somewhere between 100 and 200 jobs that populate there on any given day. But the problem with that is that in the world of solving climate change, there’s a lot of work that needs to be done that falls outside of what nonprofits focus on. For that sort of stuff, the market solutions, the for-profit world, you can find a lot of great options on other platforms as well. You can look at the cleantech tag on places like AngelList.
Depending on your own knowledge of climate solutions, you’ll be able to pick out some organizations that are working on climate, not just more broadly clean tech. I mean, what we’re really looking to do is answer the question, who is working on climate solutions and who’s hiring? And that covers the nonprofit and policy and research worlds. And it also covers the for-profit, the market solutions kind of world as well.
Ross Kenyon: Okay, I think I see the distinction there. And it makes sense to focus on this space because I see so much activity of people rushing into it. Perhaps most visible is Jason Jacobs and my climate journey. Which if you haven’t listened to that show, it is definitely worth listening to. And they have a great Slack group as well if you’d like to keep up with what various people in this world are doing. But the commonality that I’ve noticed is Jason himself has led an exodus and people like him out of software, out of the tech startup.
Yeah.
Evan Hynes: Definitely. In my own climate journey, I find to be of the same vein. Coming out of college, I took a job at Oracle doing enterprise software sales. And after nearly two years, realized that the corporate life wasn’t for me, I ended up joining this small startup that had just gone through Y Combinator that’s still around and doing well called Make School. So it sort of catapulted me into both the world of startups, but also into the world of, I would say, really mission-driven work. What I was doing there was really focusing on creating educational pathways for people who wouldn’t otherwise be able to afford traditional universities.
And for me... As I was thinking, basically, I paid off my student loans. I took some time off, came back into the real world. It was late 2018. The IPCC report had come out. For me, this was a big call to action. I felt that whatever I do next, it’s got to be focused on climate. I think a lot of other people from the traditional I think a lot of people have been asking themselves, well, what can I do with my skill sets in a way that’s climate impactful?
So yeah, like to answer your question directly, like, yes, I definitely have seen over the past year and a half, a lot of other people who are really starting to take more of an interest, not just in how they can change their consumer behavior so that they’re spending their money in ways that are more climate impactful, but really asking themselves, I think perhaps even the bigger, more impactful question, which is how can they make their money in a way that is climate impactful? Yeah.
Ross Kenyon: Yeah, that makes sense. And I’m seeing it too. I didn’t realize that you had had such a, I guess you learned quick though. It only took you two years, right? I’m sure you see people who have been doing this for a long time. They’re like, I need to get out of this. I need to do something that I can believe in. And those are your customers, right? You’re trying to find those people.
Evan Hynes: I mean, they’re definitely our users. You know, something I should mention is like, I mean, we’ll never ever charge anyone to use our site, you know, as a job seeker. So calling them our customers, I don’t know if that’s exactly the right term, but I mean, yeah, that is our audience. Like we want to get people to... Think more deeply about what they can do in their 80,000 hours to really focus in on climate. Because at the end of the day, there’s so many issue areas that are important, but they’re all made far worse if we don’t deal with climate change.
So I kind of view climate as like the mother of all issues, the mother of all problems that really needs addressing immediately. And in addressing climate change, we can also usually address a lot of other related and very important issues.
Ross Kenyon: Great. Yeah. Thanks for clarifying that customer thing too. Well, you’ve mentioned this, you’ve hinted at the fringes of this, but what exactly qualifies as a climate career?
Evan Hynes: We basically look at project drawdowns list of climate solutions, and we try to figure out who’s actually working, like what organizations are working on these climate solutions. And then from there, we basically say, well, if organization A or B or whatever is working on this climate solution, then any job at this organization we view as being a climate job. And therefore, it is appropriate to list it on climate careers. So unlike other job platforms where you can find roles that are specifically working on sustainability, like being a sustainability manager, What we’re really actually looking at is what is the mission of the organization?
And if that organization has a mission and perhaps a business model that is completely tied with solving climate change, then we view any org or rather any job at that org to be a climate job.
Ross Kenyon: Okay. That makes sense to me. And you mentioned that job seekers are not your customers. So I imagine someone else has to be keeping the lights on. How do you guys make money?
Evan Hynes: Yeah. I mean, honestly, we’re still kind of figuring that out. We’re a two-sided marketplace. I know this is a challenging way to start up. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. And, you know, as it stands right now, we haven’t begun fundraising, though some folks have approached us recently and we’ll be pursuing those conversations. But what we do is posting jobs at the end of the day. Like we really, we want to as quick So what we are moving towards in terms of our revenue model is basically we have an internal candidate database.
And there’s a few thousand folks in it right now. These are people who have not only come to our site and applied for jobs, but have actually uploaded their resume and have joined this talent database. And if you’re a employer that wants to access that, we basically... Create a custom package, depending on your needs, that you pay for on a monthly subscription model. And it includes unlimited job posts, feature jobs, mentions in our newsletter, which is pretty popular, it seems. And also access to that talent database so that aside from just passively attracting candidates through job posts, you can actually dive into our users and run keyword searches and then email those people directly if you’re interested in interviewing them.
Ross Kenyon: Yeah, is the vision to be more than a sort of job listing, job board, sort of the paradigm that we all come to expect when we’re on the job hunt? Are you trying to do something more robust than that? Or are you just trying to specialize and focus on climate careers and climate jobs specifically?
Evan Hynes: Yeah, great question. We’ve been thinking a lot about like, what is the big vision that we’re working towards, you know? And some folks have asked like, well, are we going to expand into other areas outside of climate? And I think for a period of time, we were thinking like, oh yeah, maybe we’ll start with climate and then we’ll like expand to the SDGs, right? But like in thinking about that, we ran into this problem pretty early on, which is like, Well, the SDGs are a cool framework for thinking about big issue areas, but one of the SDGs is alleviating poverty, right?
I mean, who’s to say that Wells Fargo isn’t alleviating poverty? I mean, I’m sure they certainly think they are. And by the way, this is not to knock Wells Fargo or any other organization that I may mention, but it comes down to this bigger challenge of how do you quantify impact? And there’s a lot of organizations and I think people like in the, you know, effective altruism communities that like spend all day thinking about that question. I think it’s a really important question to be asking.
But honestly, like it’s not really a space that I’m looking to move into sort of other issue areas because I just feel like it ends up being such a subjective challenge of determining like what organizations really belong, you know, on that theoretical platform. So what We’re not going to be expanding beyond climate and we’re really going to be diving deeper into climate and trying to answer the broader question that a lot of our users are asking, which is broadly, what can I do about climate change? We’re starting with jobs because, I mean, especially right now, there are so many people who...
What is it? Almost 30 million people, I think, in the United States now that have filed for unemployment in the past couple of months. So, you know, we think that focusing on climate jobs is a really great place where we can provide a lot of impact right now. But then we, I mean, and again, this is just where we happen to be right now in our thinking, but we would like to expand beyond just the climate jobs portion and provide other parts of the answer to that very broad question that our users are asking, which is, you know, again, what can I do about climate change?
So sort of building like a, you can almost imagine like a one-stop shop for climate action. What does that mean? What does that look like? We’re still figuring that out, but we took a stab at it recently and we just added like an events directory on our website. So if you go to climate.careers slash events, you can see a bunch of upcoming online climate events. And we launched this actually at the beginning of Earth Week. There was already a ton of events going on.
So we figured, hey, maybe this would be a good time to test the waters with that. People are checking it out. People use it to find upcoming events. So this is like us, again, testing the waters and thinking about what comes next after we nail the climate jobs component.
Ross Kenyon: It makes sense to approach it in that lean kind of way. And I do like this divide between, well, okay, here’s an example. I’m not saying this applies to you because it’s not the most complimentary, but you’re going to know what I’m talking about. Did you ever watch The Office, the American version? Yeah, I’m not like one of those office obsessed people, but like, I love the show. I’ve seen a lot of them. Yeah. I don’t know if you remember this one, but Ryan, the temp, gets hired at corporate and he comes back with this idea for Dunder Mifflin 2.
0, Dunder Mifflin Infinity. And it’s like, you’re shopping for paper. You’re talking about the election. This is like a one stop. You can I’m like, nobody wants to like have a social network based around buying paper. So that being said, that’s like an extreme example. But also brands just can’t be good at one thing anymore. You have to be a fan, encouraging fan culture and people Sticking around is really important. And how you do that makes a big difference. It makes a big difference with Nori.
People like listening to the podcast, being involved with what we do, knowing us as people. We can’t just be good only at carbon removal. You have to be good at telling the story and relating to others. Right. Right. Right.
Evan Hynes: Yeah. And honestly, we’ve had people ask, are we going to make this into... Because we have all these profiles internally, right? And if you’re an employer that has access to this, you know what I’m talking about. It literally looks like something that resembles LinkedIn, but for climate. And so people have asked, are we going to open these profiles up and make it more of a public-facing social network for climate? You know, the truth is like, I just don’t think people want another social network.
And then, you know, we’ve also had people like ask, well, are you going to do a community group, a Slack group, something like that? And, and again, my answer is like, I don’t know if that’s like really, I don’t know if that’s like necessary. You mentioned My Climate Journey, but there’s other ones too. There’s climateaction.tech, Sunrise Movement. They have multiple Slack groups all over the United States and a big national hub Slack. There are so many great climate and environmental focused communities and things out there.
I just don’t know if that’s the best thing that we could provide in terms of providing something that has real value. I don’t want to invent the wheel on things. And I want to make sure that whatever we build next, it’s actually providing at least a somewhat novel value add. So the way that we’re thinking about it is less of like, let’s build a community to complement this stuff. And then building tools around that community. We’re more thinking just what are the tools that our audience members want?
Whether it’s a portal or a specific kind of content. Basically, what are the things that they want? And we actually ask and we survey our users a lot. We literally list out a bunch of different things that we can imagine ourselves doing. And we say, select all that you want. And so we have some pretty interesting data. We did the events because we saw that a ton of our users want to hear about upcoming climate events. So we decided to execute on that.
What comes next? Hard to say, right? We won’t be selling paper. That’s for sure. But yeah, we’re really trying to be careful because we don’t want to try to do too much. And whatever we do, we want to make sure that it really complements the other things that we’re already doing.
Ross Kenyon: Yeah, that’s the right way to think about it. And you are right. There’s plenty of ideas we have. We’re like, oh, yeah, so-and-so is already doing that. And I’m sure people are like, wow, we should do this type of podcast. You’re like, oh, Nori’s doing that. And you have to figure out what exactly are you doing? Are you adding value? Do people actually want this thing? Because as a startup, you really have limited numbers of choices to make and a wrong turn could mean, oh crap, we ran out of money and we didn’t get to the next stage.
So I don’t know. I mean, obviously testing and moving kind of deliberately and making sure you’re giving people what they want. So I think the way that you describe how you chose to go with events makes sense. People seemingly were telling you, yeah, where do I look for this? You’re like, oh, I’ll just make it. So that’s a good example, right?
Evan Hynes: Yeah, and at the end of the day, we have to be thinking about this other stuff. People have also said, well, why don’t you just focus on the jobs? And don’t get me wrong, we’re a long way, in my opinion, from really acing that. Though we’re actually, at least according to Google search, if you type in climate jobs, we’re usually showing up as the first result organically. So that’s encouraging. Wow, that is good. That’s a big deal. Yeah, no thanks. Considering we’re unfunded, I feel like we’re making progress, but I think we still have a long way to go on the climate jobs front alone.
But we do have to be thinking about what else we’re going to be doing beyond just jobs, because if we do that part really well, I mean, what does it look like? Well, Ross comes to our website, he finds his climate job, and we never see him again for like two to three years. So we have to think about like, well, what are other pieces of content or tools that we can build that keep Ross coming back, even after he’s found that job? So, you know, for those of you who are perhaps listening, who have been on Climate Careers before, I mean, I am going to let you know that our brand is going to be changing because Climate Careers is pretty pigeonholed and we’re going to have to be thinking a little bit more broadly about what else can we build that really provides value broadly.
And you are looking to bring new people onto the team right now, right? Yeah, so we have like my brother and I and we have a small team of volunteers. I mean, to be completely transparent, like we’re all full time volunteers. Again, we’re still working on the funding part, but we know that we have a decent idea of what we’re looking for. You know, we’re definitely interested in talking to folks who can really help us develop our product. But we’re also like trying to really cast a wide net and just see who else is out there that might be interested in helping us and being a part of our journey.
So we do have a post for Climate Careers on Climate Careers. And that post is literally, I think it’s just called Join Our Team! You know, if you’re listening to this and you’re thinking, wow, like building a one-stop shop for climate action, that sounds pretty intriguing. Yeah, send us your resume and you can do it on our platform.
Ross Kenyon: Great. And there are links in the show notes if you would like to do so. Is this also a volunteer position you’re looking for? You’re looking for maybe not co-founders, but like early volunteers slash employees? I mean, yeah, gosh, you know,
Evan Hynes: I’m someone I really believe that people should get paid for the work they’re doing. But until we raise any money and until we’re like super profitable just by bootstrapping, this is unfortunately going to be like the same kind of work that everyone else on the team is doing, which is all unpaid. But I think really what we are looking for is like a technical co-founder is probably the right Sort of phrasing, someone who really wants to grind with us and get in early and be a part of this journey.
We’re also potentially considering being a nonprofit. Well, actually, honestly, more recently, it seems like that is probably The best strategy for us, just because there’s an unprecedented number of people who are now jobless. And we think that us being a nonprofit could perhaps help us unlock some grant funding so that we can be part It makes sense.
Ross Kenyon: Well, if you like what you hear and you want to apply to become a technical co-founder or I don’t even know, early stage unpaid employee volunteer, you got to come up with some proper terminology here, Evan. We do.
Evan Hynes: We do. Yeah. We’re keeping it vague purposely, very vague. We just want to find people who like what we’re doing and want to help in some way.
Ross Kenyon: Yeah, yeah. And I sort of like the unpolishedness of it. I like the transparency of it. It’s a value that I share and try to work with as well. But if you want to do that, there’s also going to be a section in there in that application to let climate careers know how you found out about this opportunity. And you should say that you heard about it on the podcast if that’s where you did because I am always curious to what degree are we steering people into things that they might not have done or opportunities they learn about through the show.
So if you could do that, I’d be very curious. I’m sure you would be curious too. To what degree, Evan, was this worth your time?
Evan Hynes: No, I’m super curious. I mean, that’s, yeah, like we were always trying to figure out like what are great channels through which we can, you know, share job opportunities within the world of climate. So yeah, like this is a great test for that. So yeah, we’ll definitely be I mean, you know, I’ll definitely be sharing with you, Ross, who comes our way from this episode.
Ross Kenyon: Yeah, that would be great. Evan, if someone wanted to keep up with your work, they want to keep up with climate careers, maybe they want to apply for a job with climate careers or at one of the companies or other organizations that are listed on there, how should they do it?
Evan Hynes: Yeah, I mean, you can just go to climate.careers. That’s our website. And yeah, you can just basically dive in. We have some quick links on our landing page to make it easy to find opportunities with internships and remote opportunities. Sales, Jobs, Software Engineering. But you can also always just go to the Jobs tab and run some keyword searches and see what comes up. Yeah, I mean, that would probably be the best way to see what’s out there. But even if you don’t find anything immediately, just know that we have a lot more on the way.
I think there’s about We’ve got 2000 jobs in the platform as of this very moment that I’m speaking with you. But I mean, we know that’s honestly still just the tip of the iceberg. There’s a lot more opportunities and we’re committed to making sure that we’re shining a light on those opportunities as quickly as possible. If you don’t see anything on the platform now, definitely stay with us. Check back in a week later. It changes every day. And also subscribe to our newsletter. We have two newsletters now.
One is just for job opportunities. And sometimes we’ll put some company updates in there as well. And then we do another newsletter now just for upcoming climate events. So it’s not even really jobs focused. So let’s say you’re listening to this podcast and you already have your climate job or you’re comfortable in your job regardless, but you’re interested in staying more plugged into the world of climate and attending some of these events, you should still subscribe because we’ll be sharing a lot of cool upcoming events that you can also find on our events tab on the website as well.
Ross Kenyon: Cool. Yeah. I subscribe. I keep it what you guys do. It’s a nice newsletter. Thanks. Yeah. I’m like always writing it like at the very last minute on a Sunday. Oh, so you write newsletters too. Yeah.
Evan Hynes: Yeah. Right. Right. I know. I really got to get better at, at allotting time for it. It’s one of those things where it’s like, you’re like, all right, so I just have to like write a couple sentences and then, you know, and then of course it’s like three hours later. And, uh, Oh man, did you just do SpongeBob? Was that what just happened? That was a really bad SpongeBob reference.
Ross Kenyon: Oh my God. First SpongeBob reference on the show award goes to Evan Hines. Yeah. Thank you. Yeah, very nicely done. Real quick, I should have asked you this too. I just came to me though, but I get asked sometimes. People will reach out and say, hey, I really want to work in the climate space or in carbon removal. What do I do? What do you typically tell people? You go first and then I’ll do mine.
Evan Hynes: Well, so a lot of people typically are asking me if they should go to grad school or something, or what do they need to do to learn more about climate to work in climate? And I think it’s a really important question. And honestly, we need so much more climate education, just broadly speaking. Right. And creating resources to make it easy for people to learn about climate is part of what we’re thinking about when we are looking beyond just the jobs component of our vision. But the truth is, if you’ve been working in other nonprofits, if you’ve been working in tech, if you’ve been working in finance even...
There’s a lot of opportunities that are available that you can probably leverage your current experience and just get started right now. I actually don’t really think that going to grad school is usually the best route for people to take if they want to work in climate. You know, that’s kind of the point of our website is to make working on climate, like literally working, you know, in your job, making it just sort of like easier, making that transition easier is really part of our mission. Because yeah, like, I mean, it’d be great if we all had time to, you know...
And, you know, completely, completely change our skill sets. But at the end of the day, like every organization that’s working on climate solutions, they all need people working in HR and people, you know, selling their products and, you know, SEO and marketing. I mean, every organization that’s working on climate needs a variety of roles. So not everyone needs to be a climate scientist in order to really have a climate impactful career. So I say just go to our website, obviously, and see what’s out there. And if you find that you see something that is applicable to your current skill set, get started, apply.
Yeah, I think that’s great advice.
Ross Kenyon: So yeah, I agree with you. I send people to climate careers. I also say there’s a bunch of cool Slack groups out there and communities. Yeah, my climate journey is good. Air miners, they’re good. They do more like direct air capture kind of stuff.
Evan Hynes: But they also do like nature-based solutions as well. And I’m really happy to see that Airminers has begun sort of expanding the scope of the conversation of carbon removal to look at non-mechanical methods of drawing down carbon. Yeah, I’m a huge fan of Airminers. Another group that I would suggest looking at is New Energy Nexus. They’re the Slack group of New Energy Nexus, which is like a network of a bunch of clean tech incubators around the world. That sounds good too. Yeah, I’m trying to think of other really good communities to check out.
I think climateaction.tech is another cool group. It’s really, I would say, heavily catered towards technologists, software engineers, and data scientists, designers. I think that’s another great group. You could also just
Ross Kenyon: look through, I’ve also told people to look through Y Combinator portfolio companies for carbon removal companies or for climate tech companies because they’re in there, you know, they’re getting funded. And since they’re already plugged into that network, they’re better than... We get emails like that. We aren’t always in a position to help people, but you know, it’s worth a shot. Also, if you do send like a cold. Sometimes I get them like all the way filled out and they didn’t tell me like one single sentence why they chose Nori to send this to.
I’m like, man, you got to tell me like, why, why are you, you just wrote a cover letter. You didn’t tell me why you want to, you care about Nori. I don’t know if you see stuff like that. That’s sort of a broad job seeker tip. Don’t do that. Tell me why you, tell me why you chose me out of the hundred other companies out there.
Evan Hynes: Yeah, no, I would definitely give the same advice to job seekers. But, you know, actually, it’s funny that you mentioned that, like, just looking through the companies and seeing what’s out there. In the next, like, couple weeks, we’re going to be spinning up a organization’s database as well. You know, right now on our website, you can basically like look at all the jobs, but there’s no way of sort of browsing at a higher level, just what are all the organizations out there. And we have around 1500 organizations in our database, and we’re going to be basically displaying all of them so that even if you’re just curious to see who’s working on, yeah, let’s say carbon removal, you can dive in and, you know, select that tag and see, sort of learn more broadly about the landscape.
Ross Kenyon: Yeah, that sounds good. Well, sounds like if you’re listening, you have your work cut out for you. Hopefully you want to work in climate. It’s a fun place to work. I really enjoy it. I drive a lot of meaning from, you know, in my small way, contributing to climate change being acted upon, hopefully more quickly, more efficaciously. I have no idea how you measure that. Hopefully, though, you are at least entertained by these podcasts. And I think that’s valuable for its own sake.
But yeah, I feel like I drive meaning from what I do. I’m sure you do too, Evan, relative to other projects you’ve worked on.
Evan Hynes: I love what I do. I’ll be totally transparent. Financially speaking, it’s a grind. I mean, we’re just trying to figure it out. But I can say this has been the most meaningful thing I’ve ever worked on because we’ve been able to help People transition from something that I would say sometimes can be really low-impact work to doing basically the same role but at organizations that are actually really leading the fight to end climate change. And when I think about what that means in terms of impact, the ripple effects that will have, it just gets me really excited.
And I feel like at a time when there’s so much unemployment due to this COVID crisis that’s now happening, I feel like this is probably the most important thing I could imagine myself working on. We’re just really excited to be part of that group of organizations out there that are hyper-focused on addressing climate change. It makes me really happy to see that this is like a wave, that there’s a lot of people who are starting to think, well, yeah, I want to have a climate career as well.
So we’re just really honored to be part of this transition. Great. Well, go and apply for some jobs, change your career, get involved in climate, go to climate.careers. Yeah, no, like, and also like shoot us a message and, and also like something that, you know, we’re always looking to hear of more organizations that we should be Also, if you’re an organization, you’re listening to this and you work at a climate-focused company or nonprofit, reach out to us. We want to help you. At the end of the day, we’ll never let price be the reason that we can’t get your jobs at least posted on our website.
So definitely sign up for an account. Get those jobs posted. We just want to help.
Ross Kenyon: I think it was pretty fun. We got the office. We got SpongeBob. I think that’s time to call it. So thanks for the fun one, Evan. Hey, thanks for having me. If you like the show, please rate and review us on iTunes, Apple Podcasts, Stitcher. Tell a friend. Tell a friend who’s looking for a new job. They want to work in climate. Go to climate.careers and make this happen. And thank you so much for listening. Well, thank you so much for listening.
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